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One of the most commonly made mistakes in pro basketball is that a guy gets underrated because he is a “tweener.” Lemme tell ya’, it should never happen.

According to Wikipedia: A tweener in basketball is a term, sometimes used derisively, for a player who is able to play two positions, but is not ideally suited to play either position exclusively, so he/she is said to be in between. A tweener has a set of skills that do not match the traditional position of his physical stature.

When teams decide to stay away from a guy because he’s a “tweener,” they could be making a huge mistake. A large part of the problem, as I blogged weeks ago, is that there is really not much of a difference between shooting guards and small forwards. (I’d go further and argue that the line between a 3 and a 4 or a 4 and a 5 is really not that clear anymore, either. A point guard is a point guard, but, as to the other positions, it’s not clear where one ends and one begins.)

Consider Antawn Jamison. He was an absolute star in college, but, because he was perceived as a tweener, was drafted after Michael Olawakandi and Raef LaFrentz. How’d that work out?

On a related point, if the word “tweener” means anything, isn’t Michael Jordan a tweener? I mean, I don’t see why you couldn’t play him at 3 if you had a star 2, or couldn’t play him at 2 if you had a star 3. But look at the trouble the Blazers got themselves into by thinking too rigidly about the five positions on a basketball team.

Bobby Knight has a classic quote about his advice to NBA GMs about Michael Jordan (full article here):
One day during at an Olympic practice before the June NBA draft, Knight remembered standing next to an NBA team executive, whom he refuses to identify.
“I was standing next to my friend as we watched us practice and I said, ‘You’re luckier than anybody could be in basketball, you have a chance to get Jordan,’ ” Knight said. “He said, ‘Yeah, Bob, he’s great, but we need a big man.’ And I told him, ‘Play Jordan at center and he’ll lead the league in scoring. He’s that good.’ ”

Speaking of classic basketball quotes, I must digress for a minute… Ron Artest has what might be the best quote of all time, when referring to a skirmish he had with Kobe Bryant. He says that he went over to Kobe and said “You’re hitting the wrong person. Don’t you know you’re hitting Ron Artest?” Video here (around 0:35).

When I want to make myself laugh, I envision a fight between Kobe Bryant and me. When Kobe makes an aggressive move towards me, I say to him “You’re hitting the wrong person. Don’t you know who you’re hitting?” The look of confusion on his face is hard to describe. His brow gets furrowed, and his eyes go crossed. In fact, his eyes get so crossed that his eyeballs actually switch eyes.

Anyway, back to the point I was making…

Nobody fails to succeed in the NBA simply because he’s a “tweener.” Lots of “tweeners” excel in the NBA (MJ, Vince, T-Mac, Dirk, Barkley, Antawn Jamison, Lamar Odom, etc., etc., etc.) For those guys, position doesn’t matter. The coach wants to put them on the floor, and let the other team worry about how to match up with him.

Bottom line: when a guy is good, his ability to play multiple positions leads to people calling him “versatile.” They only call someone a “tweener” if the guy isn’t good enough to play.

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Who’s Better?

Consider two stat lines for two players who were each in their sixth season at the time (each of them played 81 games):

MPG FG% 3p% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
37.7 .489 .344 .780 7.6 7.2 1.7 1.2 28.4

38.3 .514 .000 .745 11.2 3.0 .99 3.2 26.6

We’ll call the guy on top “F” because he’s a forward, and the guy on the bottom “C” because he’s a center. (The formatting might get screwed up in translation. F averages 37.7 minutes, shoots 48.9% from the field 34.4% from 3, 78% at the line, grabs 7.6 rebounds per game, dishes 7.2 assists per game, gets 1.7 steals per game, blocks 1.2 shots per game, and scores 28.4 points per game. C averages 38.3 minutes, shoots 51.4% from the field, didn’t make a 3, shoots 74.5% at the line, grabs 11.2 rebounds per game, dishes 3.0 assists per game, gets .99 steals per game, blocks 3.2 shots per game, and scores 26.6 points per game.)

If I asked who was better, you’d probably say it’s a close call, right? You might note that F brings more to the table, because he shoots 3’s, obviously passes well, is a thief on defense, and rebounds quite well. But, you’d also probably note that C is an extremely rare player: a center who obviously dominates the paint (11 rebounds, 3 blocks per game), and scores 26.6 points per game while shooting over 50%. On the numbers alone, it’s a very tough call. You couldn’t call me crazy if I said that I’d take C over F, if only because it’s harder to find a dominant center than it is to find anything else.

If I told you that F had already led his team to the NBA Finals by the end of his sixth year, and that the furthest C had led his team was to the Conference Semifinals, you’d say that F had probably proven himself to be a better player.

But, if I told you that C, by the end of his sixth year, had never had a teammate who made the All-Star team, and that F, by the end of his sixth year, already had two teammates who made the All-Star team, you might take that back. You couldn’t call me crazy if I said that I’d still take C over F, even knowing that F had already led his team to the NBA Finals.

If I then told you that Bill Simmons took the time to rank the 96 best players of all time, and ranked C number 39 and F number 20, you couldn’t call me crazy if I said that I disagree with Simmons. If I told you that Simmons said of C that his “career was either ‘frustrating’ (the glass-half-full take) or ‘phenomenally disappointing’ (the glass-half-empty take),” and said of F that “he’s a cross between ABA Doc (unstoppable in the open court, breathtaking in traffic, can galvanize teammates and crowds with one ‘wow’ play, handles himself gracefully on and off the court) and 1992 Scottie Pippen (the freaky athletic ability on both ends, especially when he’s cutting pass lines or flying in from the weak side for a block), with a little MJ (his overcompetitiveness and ‘there’s no way we’re losing this game’ gear), Magic (the unselfishness, which isn’t where I thought it would be back in 2003, but at least it’s there a little) and Bo (how he occasionally overpowers opponents in ways that doesn’t seem fully human) mixed in . . . only if that Molotove NBA superstar cocktail was mixed together in Karl Malone’s 275-pound body. This is crazy. This is insane. This is unlike anything we’ve ever seen,” you couldn’t call me crazy if I said that Bill Simmons got carried away. If I told you that I’d still take C over F in spite of Bill’s swooning, you still wouldn’t call me crazy.

But, if I told you that C was Patrick Ewing and F was LeBron James, you’d probably call me crazy if I said I’d take C over F.

Why?

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