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Who’s Better?

Consider two stat lines for two players who were each in their sixth season at the time (each of them played 81 games):

MPG FG% 3p% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
37.7 .489 .344 .780 7.6 7.2 1.7 1.2 28.4

38.3 .514 .000 .745 11.2 3.0 .99 3.2 26.6

We’ll call the guy on top “F” because he’s a forward, and the guy on the bottom “C” because he’s a center. (The formatting might get screwed up in translation. F averages 37.7 minutes, shoots 48.9% from the field 34.4% from 3, 78% at the line, grabs 7.6 rebounds per game, dishes 7.2 assists per game, gets 1.7 steals per game, blocks 1.2 shots per game, and scores 28.4 points per game. C averages 38.3 minutes, shoots 51.4% from the field, didn’t make a 3, shoots 74.5% at the line, grabs 11.2 rebounds per game, dishes 3.0 assists per game, gets .99 steals per game, blocks 3.2 shots per game, and scores 26.6 points per game.)

If I asked who was better, you’d probably say it’s a close call, right? You might note that F brings more to the table, because he shoots 3’s, obviously passes well, is a thief on defense, and rebounds quite well. But, you’d also probably note that C is an extremely rare player: a center who obviously dominates the paint (11 rebounds, 3 blocks per game), and scores 26.6 points per game while shooting over 50%. On the numbers alone, it’s a very tough call. You couldn’t call me crazy if I said that I’d take C over F, if only because it’s harder to find a dominant center than it is to find anything else.

If I told you that F had already led his team to the NBA Finals by the end of his sixth year, and that the furthest C had led his team was to the Conference Semifinals, you’d say that F had probably proven himself to be a better player.

But, if I told you that C, by the end of his sixth year, had never had a teammate who made the All-Star team, and that F, by the end of his sixth year, already had two teammates who made the All-Star team, you might take that back. You couldn’t call me crazy if I said that I’d still take C over F, even knowing that F had already led his team to the NBA Finals.

If I then told you that Bill Simmons took the time to rank the 96 best players of all time, and ranked C number 39 and F number 20, you couldn’t call me crazy if I said that I disagree with Simmons. If I told you that Simmons said of C that his “career was either ‘frustrating’ (the glass-half-full take) or ‘phenomenally disappointing’ (the glass-half-empty take),” and said of F that “he’s a cross between ABA Doc (unstoppable in the open court, breathtaking in traffic, can galvanize teammates and crowds with one ‘wow’ play, handles himself gracefully on and off the court) and 1992 Scottie Pippen (the freaky athletic ability on both ends, especially when he’s cutting pass lines or flying in from the weak side for a block), with a little MJ (his overcompetitiveness and ‘there’s no way we’re losing this game’ gear), Magic (the unselfishness, which isn’t where I thought it would be back in 2003, but at least it’s there a little) and Bo (how he occasionally overpowers opponents in ways that doesn’t seem fully human) mixed in . . . only if that Molotove NBA superstar cocktail was mixed together in Karl Malone’s 275-pound body. This is crazy. This is insane. This is unlike anything we’ve ever seen,” you couldn’t call me crazy if I said that Bill Simmons got carried away. If I told you that I’d still take C over F in spite of Bill’s swooning, you still wouldn’t call me crazy.

But, if I told you that C was Patrick Ewing and F was LeBron James, you’d probably call me crazy if I said I’d take C over F.

Why?

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One of the big stories of the early season is Brandon Jennings, who has put up a 55-point game, and has led the Bucks to a winning record. He has caught me, and many others, by surprise.

But, while I give him credit for his early success, I don’t see it continuing. I’m basing this not on any insider information I have, or even on a scouting report of the guy, but on the simple fact that he shoots too much for a point guard. His scoring average might remain high, but the Bucks’ success is unlikely to continue.

Jennings has taken 284 shots in his first 15 games, for an average of approximately 19 per game. As a point of comparison, consider some of the numbers put up by the great point guards of the modern era:

In 979 career games, Isiah Thomas took 15,904 shots, for an average of 16.2 per game. He’s at the high end of the spectrum, and he still took more than 2 fewer shots per game than Jennings.

Magic played 906 career games, and took 11,951 shots, for an average of 13.2.
Kidd has played 1,124 games and has taken 13,720 shots, for an average of 12.2.
Nash has played 950 career games, and has taken 10,151 shots, for an average of 10.7.
Stockton played 1,504 career games and took 13,658 shots, for an average of 9.1.

Even in comparison to some of the best young point guards in the league today, he is still at the high end of the spectrum.
Chris Paul has played 310 career games, and has taken 4507 shots, for an average of 14.5 shots.
Rajon Rondo has played 251 career games, and has taken 2072 shots, for an average of 8.3.
Deron Williams has played 324 career games, and has taken 4206 shots, for an average of 13.0.

Clearly, Jennings is shooting more than these successful point guards. Perhaps he is simply so talented that he can break the mold, and redefine the position. I doubt it, for reasons that have nothing to do with questions about his talent. A closer look at his numbers reveals that he shoots 43.3% from the field, and averages 5.5 assists per game. Those numbers compare unfavorably to the numbers of other great point guards:

Magic shot 52% from the field, and averaged 11.2 assists per game.
Stockton shot 51.5% from the field, and averaged 10.5 assists per game.
Nash shoots 48.8% from the field, and averages 8.1 assists per game.
Isiah shot 45% from the field, and averaged 9.3 assists per game.
Kidd shoots 40% from the field, and averages 9.2 assists per game.
Thus, Kidd is the only one with a lower field-goal percentage, and his assist numbers are much higher.

Jennings’s numbers also compare unfavorably to the premiere young guards in the game today:
Paul shoots 47% from the field, and averages 9.9 assists per game.
Rondo shoots 48% from the field, and averages 5.9 assists per game (he averaged more than 8 assists per game in each of the past two seasons).
Williams shoots 46.8% from the field, and averages 8.7 assists per game.

So, Jennings’s numbers, while impressive, raise numerous doubts about his game. To be sure, he is young, and it’s not fair to say that someone is fatally flawed based on the fact that, after only 15 games, his numbers compare unfavorably to some of the greats at his position. But, a point guard’s job is to get his team good shots, and the clearest measurements of success are his assists per game along with his shooting numbers. No point guard that I can think of has led his team to the playoffs, let alone a championship, by passing so little while shooting so often and so poorly.

All of this is based on numbers alone — I haven’t seen him play yet. I tried to DVR the nationally-televised game he played in on Friday, but something went wrong with my DVR. (Amazingly, it seems to tape everything my wife wants to tape, but regularly fails to tape my shows. Coincidence?) I was pretty bummed, not only because I wanted to see Jennings play, but also because I’m quite sure that I’ve watched more than 1,000 games of basketball in my life, and I can’t remember ever watching the Bucks. I mean, seriously, have they been on national TV since Don Nelson stopped coaching them?

I will make sure to watch them soon, even if it means that I have to research for a local bar that will be broadcasting one of their games, and head over there to see them. Until then, all I have to go by when judging Jennings are his numbers. While some of those numbers are impressive, the bottom line is that they are not the kinds of numbers I would want my team’s point guard to be putting up.

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